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		<title>By: Sara K.</title>
		<link>http://slightlybiasedmanga.com/2007/03/07/antique-bakery-1/#comment-11758</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vanity Fair and Don Quixote are both on my list of Literature I Should Read but Won&#039;t Anytime Soon.

Humor does get short-changed in the academic world. Probably because our culture devalues entertainment, and humor is too pleasurable to be good for you. 

I really should read some more Aristophanes, because not much besides Lysistrata sees stage light. I&#039;ve heard that some of his other stuff is actually better.

My goal is to see every Shakespeare play on stage.  So far, the only English histories I&#039;ve seen are Richard III and Henry IV Part I &amp; II, though I have seen all of the Roman plays. The pleasure of seeing obscure Shakespeare is that you honestly don&#039;t know what&#039;s going to happen.  Some of the plays are obscure because they&#039;re not as good.  And some, like Coriolanus, are gems.  Great Shakespeare tragedy + excellent actors + never having the plot spoiled by your English teacher = awesome awesome awesome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vanity Fair and Don Quixote are both on my list of Literature I Should Read but Won&#8217;t Anytime Soon.</p>
<p>Humor does get short-changed in the academic world. Probably because our culture devalues entertainment, and humor is too pleasurable to be good for you. </p>
<p>I really should read some more Aristophanes, because not much besides Lysistrata sees stage light. I&#8217;ve heard that some of his other stuff is actually better.</p>
<p>My goal is to see every Shakespeare play on stage.  So far, the only English histories I&#8217;ve seen are Richard III and Henry IV Part I &amp; II, though I have seen all of the Roman plays. The pleasure of seeing obscure Shakespeare is that you honestly don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s going to happen.  Some of the plays are obscure because they&#8217;re not as good.  And some, like Coriolanus, are gems.  Great Shakespeare tragedy + excellent actors + never having the plot spoiled by your English teacher = awesome awesome awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve read some Voltaire, I do like him for his satire.  I&#039;ve only read Candide, but I have yet to run across more of his books.  Vanity Fair was probably my favorite as far as a book with humor that aged quite well goes.  The author hates every single character in that book, and I was in disbelief the entire time I was reading it at how modern the sarcasm and cruelty seemed.  It reads more like a modern book making fun of 19th century writing than something that was actually written back then.  My coworker recently gave me a blow-by-blow while he was reading Don Quixote, too.  I tried that a long time ago and wound up with a fairly boring translation that I couldn&#039;t get into, but the book is scarily ahead of its time.

Its true what you say about comedy in performance, too.  While I don&#039;t necessarily have my ear to the ground about a lot of the smaller shows here, I have yet to even hear of any performances of Shakespeare&#039;s histories.  And as for Lysistrata, it&#039;s kind of amazing that so much of the humor from that is still with us.  I&#039;ve not seen it performed, but it was something I went over in school.  

One of the things that struck me about ukiyo-e and Japanese art in general was the somewhat base subject matter and humor that tends to be glossed over in a lot of texts.  We looked at shunga a bit in school, but one of the images that stuck with me most was in Manga Manga, it showed a contest measuring penis length or strength, I can never quite remember.  I just like the idea that some things appeal to everyone, regardless of time or culture.  Lysistrata is another good example of the same thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read some Voltaire, I do like him for his satire.  I&#8217;ve only read Candide, but I have yet to run across more of his books.  Vanity Fair was probably my favorite as far as a book with humor that aged quite well goes.  The author hates every single character in that book, and I was in disbelief the entire time I was reading it at how modern the sarcasm and cruelty seemed.  It reads more like a modern book making fun of 19th century writing than something that was actually written back then.  My coworker recently gave me a blow-by-blow while he was reading Don Quixote, too.  I tried that a long time ago and wound up with a fairly boring translation that I couldn&#8217;t get into, but the book is scarily ahead of its time.</p>
<p>Its true what you say about comedy in performance, too.  While I don&#8217;t necessarily have my ear to the ground about a lot of the smaller shows here, I have yet to even hear of any performances of Shakespeare&#8217;s histories.  And as for Lysistrata, it&#8217;s kind of amazing that so much of the humor from that is still with us.  I&#8217;ve not seen it performed, but it was something I went over in school.  </p>
<p>One of the things that struck me about ukiyo-e and Japanese art in general was the somewhat base subject matter and humor that tends to be glossed over in a lot of texts.  We looked at shunga a bit in school, but one of the images that stuck with me most was in Manga Manga, it showed a contest measuring penis length or strength, I can never quite remember.  I just like the idea that some things appeal to everyone, regardless of time or culture.  Lysistrata is another good example of the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara K.</title>
		<link>http://slightlybiasedmanga.com/2007/03/07/antique-bakery-1/#comment-11746</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sara K.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, it&#039;s by Dennis Diderot.  Yes, it sounds like a very late eighteenth-century novel.  And Fumi Yoshinaga, being a Berubara fangirl, would know about something like that (I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if she&#039;s read La Nouvelle Heloise, which I should read some day).  I, on the other hand, I have read quite a bit of Voltaire, and he can also be quite humorous, or at least satirical.

The longest-lasting comedy I can think of is Lysistrata, which is not a novel at all.  I&#039;ve seen Lysistrata performed three times, and it&#039;s not because I made any effort to see so many times.  Theater comedy tends to last quite well, since good actors can always make good material funny.  In fact, even Shakespeare&#039;s lesser-known comedies such as Two Gentlemen of Verona and All&#039;s Well that Ends Well are more popular than, say, Richard II or Coriolanus.  In fact, in the past five years, both Two Gentlemen and All&#039;s Well have each seen more local productions than, um, Hamlet (now that I said that, seven theatres are going to put on Hamlet next year).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, it&#8217;s by Dennis Diderot.  Yes, it sounds like a very late eighteenth-century novel.  And Fumi Yoshinaga, being a Berubara fangirl, would know about something like that (I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if she&#8217;s read La Nouvelle Heloise, which I should read some day).  I, on the other hand, I have read quite a bit of Voltaire, and he can also be quite humorous, or at least satirical.</p>
<p>The longest-lasting comedy I can think of is Lysistrata, which is not a novel at all.  I&#8217;ve seen Lysistrata performed three times, and it&#8217;s not because I made any effort to see so many times.  Theater comedy tends to last quite well, since good actors can always make good material funny.  In fact, even Shakespeare&#8217;s lesser-known comedies such as Two Gentlemen of Verona and All&#8217;s Well that Ends Well are more popular than, say, Richard II or Coriolanus.  In fact, in the past five years, both Two Gentlemen and All&#8217;s Well have each seen more local productions than, um, Hamlet (now that I said that, seven theatres are going to put on Hamlet next year).</p>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 06:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s true about her work not being very plot-driven.  I think Antique Bakery and Gerard and Jacques are the only two of her series that I can think of that had a semblance of a plot, and in Antique Bakery&#039;s case the plot wasn&#039;t really all that important and only offered up in brief flashes.  I liked the narrative in that series a lot.

Jacques the Fatalist is a story about a butler driving with his master while telling him the story of his love life, with various people and their stories interrupting them along the way, and I&#039;m not sure that they ever get where they&#039;re going.  The humor, the two characters, and the various incidental and meandering things that happen sound very much like elements that Yoshinaga would use in her stories.  I&#039;d only heard of it because I sort of enjoy reading (or reading about) humorous novels that age well.  Their existence is sort of a paradox to me, since I associate classic literature with the very serious people that tend to study and read it.  Plus, it&#039;s just interesting to see what&#039;s still in print after all these years since the idea of humor changes so much over time.  Timeless jokes are very special indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s true about her work not being very plot-driven.  I think Antique Bakery and Gerard and Jacques are the only two of her series that I can think of that had a semblance of a plot, and in Antique Bakery&#8217;s case the plot wasn&#8217;t really all that important and only offered up in brief flashes.  I liked the narrative in that series a lot.</p>
<p>Jacques the Fatalist is a story about a butler driving with his master while telling him the story of his love life, with various people and their stories interrupting them along the way, and I&#8217;m not sure that they ever get where they&#8217;re going.  The humor, the two characters, and the various incidental and meandering things that happen sound very much like elements that Yoshinaga would use in her stories.  I&#8217;d only heard of it because I sort of enjoy reading (or reading about) humorous novels that age well.  Their existence is sort of a paradox to me, since I associate classic literature with the very serious people that tend to study and read it.  Plus, it&#8217;s just interesting to see what&#8217;s still in print after all these years since the idea of humor changes so much over time.  Timeless jokes are very special indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara K.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The slow schedule is one of the reasons, but also Yoshinaga tends to not be as plot-driven as other stuff.  But my main consideration is that she provides more to chew on in one volume than most mangaka offer in four, so it&#039;s sort of like getting four-volumes-in-one.

I have never heard of Jacques the Fatalist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The slow schedule is one of the reasons, but also Yoshinaga tends to not be as plot-driven as other stuff.  But my main consideration is that she provides more to chew on in one volume than most mangaka offer in four, so it&#8217;s sort of like getting four-volumes-in-one.</p>
<p>I have never heard of Jacques the Fatalist.</p>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 06:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Gay of demonic charm&quot; could probably make up for any missteps the series could potentially make.  I didn&#039;t believe the joke was that funny when I heard people talking about it, but it made me laugh every time that character was proven right.

The disconnect from the food is sort of the problem I have with Oishinbo too, especially the one I just read on sake.

Ooku is a good series to break your rule for.  I&#039;m not sure what kind of schedule Viz will have for it, but I know it only comes out around one volume a year in Japan, so Viz will probably take a bit of time to release the current four volumes.  I think they licensed All My Darling Daughters too, which I&#039;m very excited about.  I&#039;m very excited to read anything by her, though.

Amusingly, it seems like she did illustrations (or at least the cover) for a new Japanese edition of Jacques the Fatalist, which I&#039;ve always kind of wanted to read for its strange-sounding humor.  I never really thought about it, but it sounds quite a bit like something that she would have drawn inspiration from.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Gay of demonic charm&#8221; could probably make up for any missteps the series could potentially make.  I didn&#8217;t believe the joke was that funny when I heard people talking about it, but it made me laugh every time that character was proven right.</p>
<p>The disconnect from the food is sort of the problem I have with Oishinbo too, especially the one I just read on sake.</p>
<p>Ooku is a good series to break your rule for.  I&#8217;m not sure what kind of schedule Viz will have for it, but I know it only comes out around one volume a year in Japan, so Viz will probably take a bit of time to release the current four volumes.  I think they licensed All My Darling Daughters too, which I&#8217;m very excited about.  I&#8217;m very excited to read anything by her, though.</p>
<p>Amusingly, it seems like she did illustrations (or at least the cover) for a new Japanese edition of Jacques the Fatalist, which I&#8217;ve always kind of wanted to read for its strange-sounding humor.  I never really thought about it, but it sounds quite a bit like something that she would have drawn inspiration from.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara K.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like just about everyone, I love Fumi Yoshinaga, and this August I&#039;ll probably break my principle of waiting for a few volumes to come out and buy Oooku immediately.

I do have one issue with Antique Bakery.  I no longer regard dairy or egg products as food.  Therefore they might as well be describing the deliciousness of newspapers as far as I&#039;m concerned.  It&#039;s not fun to read, and I had to start skimming the sections about food.

Fortunately, &quot;gay of demonic charm&quot; definitely makes up for the food business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like just about everyone, I love Fumi Yoshinaga, and this August I&#8217;ll probably break my principle of waiting for a few volumes to come out and buy Oooku immediately.</p>
<p>I do have one issue with Antique Bakery.  I no longer regard dairy or egg products as food.  Therefore they might as well be describing the deliciousness of newspapers as far as I&#8217;m concerned.  It&#8217;s not fun to read, and I had to start skimming the sections about food.</p>
<p>Fortunately, &#8220;gay of demonic charm&#8221; definitely makes up for the food business.</p>
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		<title>By: The Scrumptious Anime Blog &#124; Antique Bakery: Buttsecks-Less BL?! USODAA!!!11!!</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Buttsecks-Less! If you don&#8217;t trust me, then trust the great Omni. Or JP. Or other ones who have read the manga and know what it&#8217;s really about. (That Antique Bakery review by [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Buttsecks-Less! If you don&#8217;t trust me, then trust the great Omni. Or JP. Or other ones who have read the manga and know what it&#8217;s really about. (That Antique Bakery review by [...]</p>
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